for everything else is exterior

and therefore meaningless

im saving this convo. this is some crazy shit

i don't see it as elevated, i see it as repressed. i think that the trends we are moving towards pressuring us away from emotional dependence and humanity is something to be fought against.

this is real transcendence

at this stage, yes, it probably is unhealthy i think we will naturally evolve out of it

but then again, its what i believe

and doesnt mean its true

how would we naturally evolve out of it

as sentient intelligent beings, we have, over our history, freed ourselves from dependance on one thing or another; we dont need to wait for the change in seasons to create warm places of dwelling, we need not depend on the migratory patterns of fish for we now have fish farms, we need not depend on the shelter of forests or landscape to protect ourselves from predators for we can shoot them with

our guns

there are already sciences working to convert energy into matter. if this were successful, we need not rely on the instability of nature to provide for us. we will eventually to sustain ourselves simply by harnessing oe kind of energy or another

and while these freedoms from dependance may seem superficial now, i think that we will eventually evolve/reconstruct ourselves to be more self-sufficient

and, eventually we will grow out of the need for each other

i think you're forgetting that we need others to discover who we ourselves are. this movement doesn't seem to be towards any enlightenment but towards machinery and nothing but superficiality.

looking at your point of view, you would need other people to lead you towards your disillusionment

that you don't really need anyone. you can't come to this conclusion without other people

how can this be acheived if we are moving towards isolation

complete isolation can only be achieved when the person in question becomes completely self-sufficient in every respect. it can also only be achieved through immortality, one thing which may float into our spectrum. in this sense, if one has self-sufficiency and immortality, there would be no need for others because emotional dillusionment would be kept througout immortality

unending, in need need of renewal

in no* need

i'm talking about the initial disillusionment that causes you to isolate yourself

you cannot aspire to achieve something when you don't experience the said lesser existence of human connection

disillusionment would not follow isolation. its the other way around. when i said that self-delusion id the only way to know love, i meant it in the sense that everything outside of one's own mind is finite and has the possibility of not existing. only through self-delusionment can we find true, infinite love; love that we create ourselves, ie the only kind that is surely real

that doesnt mean that isolation should follow

i just believe its the only way to know true love

do you like buddhism?

some of it

your beliefs seem to follow a lot in the line of buddhist thinking

i tried zen, but then realized i associate truth much more with art than the mind

hence, why my major is english lit

and i'm a film junkie. art celebrates human experience

it is much more real to me than the mind

the mind being rationalization

and philosophic meditation based on reason

i know art and philosophy have much in common, but art seems to embrace

both human truth and mysteries

in this sense i agree with you although i believe the mind to be a reflection of our perceptions that are guided by our influences

i believe art to be a reflection of what is in the mind and, therefore, on of the most virtuous and noble pursuits there is for it is a reflection of our perceptions and existence

and i dont think there is anything more precious or unique than the human experience

i like what the romantics said about artistic inspiration: it comes from deep within your subconscious that you cannot penetrate purposefully. like a fading dream, you only manage to scrape peices of it when you're jolted with inspiration and creativity. so i think that art is beyond just a reflection of what is in the mind

it is reflective as well as spontaneous and inexplainable

coinciding with truth and mystery

i think it can be explained. however, in opposition to what you said earlier, i dont believe interpretation destroys art. i believe interpretations improves art because it allows us to open our minds into new possibilities and ideas as to its meaning

what destroys art is definition

just because something can be explicable doesnt mean its not just as miraculous

what sontag pointed out was trend nowadays to enclose art into a language limiting understanding based on our assumption on what the artist intended, or scrutinizing over the point of it. sometimes, there is no intentional point. of course she doesn't mean just limit your vocabulary to 'oh, that's pretty'. she wants intelligent observances, just not futile analysis and labeling

exactly

100% agreement